Although the Boy Scouts Association was just seven years old when war broke out in 1914, Scouts were
ready to do their bit. They had a strong ethos of duty and loyalty, and it was no surprise that many wanted to play the best role possible in the nation’s war effort.
As Britain entered the First World War on 4th August 1914 Robert Baden-Powell volunteered Scouts to support the war effort; they weren’t to have a military role but could undertake work which released men for service in the Armed Forces. There is much written on the internet about the tasks that were undertaken. They served as messengers, printers, despatch riders and even worked on farms and guarded railway lines. The Sea Scouts assisted with Coast Watching. Although Scouts covered the ages 11 to 18 the majority of war work was carried out by those over 14 as younger boys were discouraged from missing school.
We have found no District records that tell us about the work that Finchley Scouts did during the Great War. However, of the ten Troops that existed at the time some information about the 10th Finchley’s involvement has been discovered. The Troop was formed shortly after the war started and immediately offered their assistance. In addition to collecting old newspapers they were asked to undertake orderly duties at VAD (Voluntary Aid Detachment) hospital located at the King Edward Hall in Church End. Seniors enrolled as Special Constables and assisted with guarding railway property. Later a couple of boys worked at College Farm and two Sea Scouts worked as coastguards.
Much of the information given below that relates to the Second World War is taken from a booklet compiled by Derek Warren, through the use of notes taken from the minutes of meetings held by The Finchley Boy Scout Association, and a number of other sources.
In accordance with the Scout motto ‘Be Prepared’, training began in October 1938 following the Munich crisis and in April 1939 a plan of campaign for the whole District was approved by the Local Association. Training and lectures on first aid, gas, and other A.R.P. subjects were also given regularly. Those days of suspense, anxiety and feverish preparation seem very distant now, but they were vital then for everyone expected the Luftwaffe to swoop at once.
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Throughout the conflict every effort was made to continue as normal a Scout programme as possible. There was of course concern for the boys’ welfare and a Mr Burrell was put in charge of coordinating this. It was necessary to ensure that effective measures were taken for the protection of Scouts attending Troop meetings and this included the provision of shelter accommodation, the insistence on boys carrying gas masks and keeping them in a readily accessible place in the HQ, the arrangement for times of meetings to suit the younger boys, and the possibility of escorting younger boys to points near their homes during black out times.
Many Scout huts and church halls were being used for the war effort which had an impact upon meeting places and times. A few Groups met together as their leaders had been called up and others were being assisted by Rovers who had not. A number of Groups moved their meetings to Frith Grange and some patrols held meeting in their Patrol Leaders’ homes. Initial reports suggested that most Groups were coping well.
District events continued to be held when possible. There is specific mention of the St. George’s Day Parade in 1940, a comic opera “Aladdin and Out” being put on by 2nd Finchley at the Gainsborough Hall in 1943, the District Sports Day in 1944 when 1,500 tickets were sold and a Scout & Guide Rally also in 1944. Records also show that the District cross country race and swimming gala were also held regularly.
In 1940 both the 12th and 15th Finchley were able to hold special celebrations to mark their 21st anniversary.
As previously mentioned many hours were spent by Scouts collecting waste paper. They would be out on a regular basis with their trek carts loading it high. Here it is probably worth noting the following that appeared in the 4th Finchley’s Church magazine in November 1939: “You may be aware that the accumulation of waste paper in your loft constitutes a grave danger in case of fire. Our Scouts are willing to relieve you of this danger. If you will send a card to R. Cawood, 141 Addison Way, NW11, he will arrange for its collection and disposal”.
Additionally, from 1942 The Scout Council spent time looking for and eventually acquiring a building that could be used as the District Headquarters. Finchley Lodge was purchased and officially opened on the 5th May 1945, just 3 days before VE Day.
The Press
The good work being undertaken did not go unnoticed by the press and here are some snippets that have been found:
This Group is proud of the fact that 30 old Scouts of the 81st are at present members of His Majesty’s Forces. The exact figures being 26 from the 2nd Finchley and four from the old 14th Finchley, which is now part of the 81st.
Since the beginning of the war, cigarettes have been sent regularly to their Service pals, but funds were getting low, so something had to be done. Consequently on Saturday last, at the Better ‘Ole, East Finchley, over 70 friends attended a dance social and admission was by cigarettes only. This novel idea brought in a total of 1,700 cigarettes which will be forwarded in due course to their grateful recipients.
The Hospital
Following the end of the war Finchley Memorial Hospital produced a booklet entitled “Your Hospital in War”. The Scouts get three mentions:
Page 5 – Finchley Rover Scouts
We early sought and secured the attachment to the Hospital for its war work of this fine body of Finchley Youth. We knew that in a war hospital there would be much that would demand their vigour and enthusiasm. Elsewhere we describe something of their work. Having given us their allegiance, they stood by us to the end. As the war years passed, the requirements of the Armed Forces took many of them from us, but always the younger ones filled the gaps. This gallant young band will hold a warm place in our memories, for all that they did, and all that they were.
Page 12
The Rover Scouts are here in strength (and strength will probably be needed before the night is over) for stretcher-bearing, lifting and carrying, putting up and moving beds, helping with the heavy and rough work, taking messages – the handymen of the whole show…
Page 13
…Our young Scouts, the stretcher-bearers, by the light of dimmed torches, carry in the wounded and dead…
As a token of the hospital’s appreciation they presented the Scouts with a clock for their HQ.
The Boy Scouts Association
Following the war the Scout Association produced a booklet entitled “THEY WERE PREPARED” which lists the various activities carried out during the war, and included are a couple of photographs featuring a Rover from the 10th Finchley and 3 from the 5th Finchley.
It also contained the following interesting passage:
“More than 60,000 boys have been awarded the National Service Badge for sustained work as A.R.P. messengers, first-aid orderlies, telephonists, signallers, stretcher bearers, instructors to the Home Guard, assistants in rest centres. Wherever there is a job to be done there you will find a Boy Scout. More than 180 different kinds of service jobs have been listed at the end of this booklet. Many of them are dull, routine tasks; others mean long periods on duty waiting for the emergency and being prepared to meet it when it comes. The Scout has fitted himself for these emergencies by training. He has learnt how to fight fire, how to act if an attack is made with poison gas, how to deal with panic. He has attained skill in first-aid, in relaying verbal messages, in signalling and in a thorough knowledge of his own district . . .”
Roll of Honour
Listed below are the names of known former Scouts and Scout Leaders from Finchley, Friern Barnet and Golders Green who were killed during the Second World War (1939 – 1945). We welcome any names which have not been included and, once verified through the Commonwealth War Graves Commission, will add them to the Roll.
| Name / Group | Date of Death | Service |
| ADCOCK, Richard Watkin 186th North London Aged 27 |
6 November 1939 | RAF Volunteer Service |
| ALLAN, Gordon William 186th North London Aged 21 |
Pilot – RAF Volunteer Reserve Killed in action in Libya |
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| ALLAIS, Louis Paul Edwin 10th Finchley Aged 29 |
20 December 1943 | RAF Sergeant Killed in action over Germany |
| ASCOTT, Derrick D 5th Finchley Aged 20 |
16 March 1944 | Trooper – Army Royal Armoured Corps |
| BAILY, L E John 10th Finchley Aged 19 |
22 May 1944 | RAF Killed on active service. |
| BARNES, Geoffrey Clifford 18th Finchley Aged 18 |
1 July 1944 | Army. Private Killed in action in France |
| BAUMBER, Robert Charles 186th North London Aged 20 |
8 September 1941 | Sergeant, RAF Volunteer Service |
| BROWN, Henry 186th North London Aged 21 |
May – June 1943 | Trooper – Army Died of wounds in North Africa |
| BUSHFORD, Charles 186th North London Aged 23 |
May 1941 | Observer – RAF Sergeant Killed on active service |
| CANNON, Francis Thomas George 15th Finchley Aged 22 |
25 August 1942 | Wireless Operator – RAF. Sergeant Died on active service, Wantage |
| CARLO, Kenneth Frederick 186th North London Aged 25 |
9 May 1942 | Driver – Army. Royal Army Service Corps |
| COMER, Edward Cecil 12th Finchley Aged 30 |
31 December 1944 | Sgt. RAF – Navigator Killed during a training flight |
| CROSS, Alan Frederick Thomas 186th North London Aged 23 |
22 November 1943 | Signalman – Royal Navy HMS Hebe |
| DAVEY, Edwin 186th North London Aged 22 |
May 1943 | RAF. Flying Officer Killed in action over Dortmund, Germany |
| DENYER, John 81st North London (2nd Finchley) Previously of 9th Finchley |
14 March 1943 | RAF Volunteer Reserve. Sergeant |
| DORMER, Richard Percy 186th North London Aged 25 |
4 April 1943 | RAF |
| FISHER, Leonard 12th Finchley Aged 19 |
2 July 1943 | Pilot – RAF. Sergeant Killed in a flying accident, England |
| GILMOUR, John 10th Finchley Aged 25 |
26 May 1941 | Leading Cook – Royal Navy Killed in action in Crete, H M Submarine. |
| HALE, Eric William 186th North London Aged 20 |
14 October 1942 | RAF. Leading Aircraftman Killed in a cycling accident. |
| HOLDING, Dennis 12th Finchley Aged 19 |
9 July 1943 | RAF. Sergeant Killed in air operations over Holland |
| KELLAND, Allen Fooks 186th North London Aged 21 |
12 June 1944 | South African air Force. Warrant Officer |
| LAMERTON, Roy Charles 4th Finchley Aged 30 |
6 December 1942 | Observer RAF. Sergeant Killed in action over Holland |
| MACCONNELL, Stanley 10th Finchley Aged 19 |
12 November 1943 | Royal Navy. Leading Seaman Accidentally killed on ship at port during firing practice. |
| MARTIN, Norman (John) Sebright 10th Finchley Aged 19 |
23 November 1943 | RAF. Sergeant Killed in a flying accident |
| MEIGH, Trevor D 10th Finchley Aged 21 |
20/21 January 1944 | RAF. Flight Sergeant Killed on active service |
| NEWSTEAD, James 12th Finchley |
Spring 1942 | RAF Killed on active service in the Far East |
| OCKLESTON, Leslie Harold 11th Finchley |
12 December 1944 | Rifleman, King’s Royal Rifle Corp (Queen’s Westminsters) Killed on active service in Greece |
| OWEN, Patrick R 11th Finchley Aged 21 |
31 August 1941 | Pilot Officer – RAF Killed whilst flying near Lincoln |
| PUGH, Rev. Herbert Cecil, G.C. 94th North London Aged 42 |
5 July 1941 | Chaplain – RAF. Squadron Leader Gave his life in the service of others, on board the troop ship ‘Anselm’. |
| RENDALL, Francis 10th Finchley Aged 29 |
21 June 1941 | Pilot Officer – RAF Killed on active service |
| RYALL, Walter Ernest 94th North London Aged 28 |
27 April 1945 | Gunner – Royal Artillery |
| SMALE, Geoffrey 12th Finchley Aged 32 |
8 May 1945 | Flying Officer – RAF Killed on air operations over Denmark |
| SMITH, Kenneth William 94th North London Aged 21 |
9 July 1944 | Fusilier – Royal Fusiliers |
| STEAN, Kenneth Victor 11th Finchley Aged 19 |
31 March 1941 | RAF Killed in a flying accident whilst training |
| STEED, Roy Thomas 195th North London Aged 28 |
13 July 1943 | RAF. Flight Sergeant Killed on active service |
| WILLIS, Sydney Ralph 186th North London Aged 20 |
7 May 1941 | Pilot (U/T) – RAF Volunteer Service |
| WILLIS, William Leonard 186th North London Aged 28 |
4 November 1942 | Army. Rifleman, King’s Royal Rifle Corps |
Gallery
Click here to view photos associated with Scouts during the war.
Memories
Shortly after our Troop was formed in 1914 we offered to help with the War effort. In addition to collecting old newspapers we undertook orderly duties at the temporary hospital at the King Edward Hall. We had quite a good time making cocoa, cutting bread, rolling bandages and any odd job that came our way, even to providing entertainment for soldiers who were always pressing us to give them a show. Bert Darrington was a great favourite there being on duty almost every evening. He had a bed fixed up on the balcony for his use at such times as he stayed late, which was often.
Eddie Holiday and Dudley Wright, both Sea Scouts, were on coastguard duty. George Millward and Ken Darrington had some sort of job at College Farm. What this job was nobody ever discovered, for on each occasion I visited the farm they were usually sitting on a fence enjoying the company of several land girls.
Many of the seniors became Special Constables and their work included guarding signal-boxes, junctions and tunnels. However, the best thing they enjoyed was being able to ride their bicycles without lights.
When the Second World War started ’Pop’ Barclay was called up for military service and he started his Forces News Bulletin. By September nine members had been called up. The seniors, like other Groups helped build shelters, provided stretcher parties at the local hospital and undertook ARP duties.
The Rovers launched a ‘Cigarette Fund’ to keep service members supplied with cigarettes and this continued until there were no more Rovers and cigarettes became too difficult to obtain.
Albert Hartley – 10th Finchley
(Extracts from his book ‘History of the Tenth Finchley’.)
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Just before the second WW started and in the early war years, older Scouts / Rovers helped in many ways, being dispatch riders, stretcher bearers, erecting air raid shelters. A lot of time being spent at Warden’s Posts or Finchley Memorial hospital, and after so many hours they were awarded a National Service badge.
As they got older they were called up and our Rovers went into all three services. We were fortunate to have our GSL Charlie Roberts in a prime occupation, so he kept the Group going with help from rovers before they were called up.
When the leader of the 5th Finchley at the Congregational Church in Nether Street was Called Up, the Scouts came down to join in with our activities, then when he returned most of them went back to get the 5th into action again.
Ken Stallworthy who lived in Stanhope Road opposite the Hall was also a great help. In the first two or three years meetings were held on a Saturday afternoon, and then after the Blitz we reverted back to the evenings. But there was still a blackout so no lights could be shown, which meant you covered the torch lens leaving just a slit so you could turn it on when you got to the curb. There were quite a few bombs dropped in the area and one that landed in Stanhope Road. This destroyed Ken’s house, but luckily, he was at the Hall.
Once the war was over the Rovers started to be demobbed, so the Old Boys section started up and this really flourished for many years, the last of them that had been in the war died in 2016. We should have written a book on all the tales that were told at the Old Boy’s camps, especially over a pint at the local, or when getting back to camp and having a mug of cocoa and a chunk of bread and cheese.
Derek Warren – 15th Finchley
(Extract from ‘Our Story’)
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My time with the 186th North London was just before and until shortly after the war. I arrived just as Melville Balsillie left for Canada and Jim Widgery took over. At the time I lived in Oakleigh Road North, opposite the Russell Road opening. Beyond our garden was a relatively large triangular area filled with fruit trees, allotments, and grass. This was mostly owned by the Allan family of Loring Road. Stanley, one of the sons was a Scout and he introduced my brother and me to the Group.
Gordon an older brother of Stanley, who was a Rover, became an RAF bomber pilot at the outbreak of war and later ‘Missing in Action’ in North Africa. Another of his brothers, who had been an RAF pilot, was also killed in a plane accident in Egypt before the war. As for Stanley, he and his younger sister were evacuated to the Los Angeles area.
During the war while the church hall was being used by the Army we met in various places, including a room in the All Saints’ Vicarage and the TOC-H hut on the High Street while members’ houses were used for patrol meetings. During the war the troop ran messages for the Air Raid Precaution Wardens.
Alan Smith – 186th North London
(Extracts from a letter written in December 2014)
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So two years later at the age of eleven I arrived back in London, my parents had been bombed out so they were now living in Finchley, London. There I joined the Boy Scouts and when I reached thirteen I was allowed to be a stretcher bearer at Finchley Memorial hospital, one night a week taking the place of porters as men were at war in the army, we would do all jobs looking after patients who had just had operations. We were also on standby waiting for air raid victims to come in by ambulance. We had to take people who had died to the morgue, I will always remember June 6th, the day we now know as D. Day, I had to move eight bodies, one from the ward but when we arrived at the morgue there were seven others already there, so we had to move them around to make room for our one, I think I heard every plane going to France that night as I could not get to sleep, now they would say I need counselling.
After I came off duty at 7.a.m. I had to do my paper round before going to school, sometimes if we had a bad night like June 6th very tired, I even had a greengrocers round in the evenings after school.
We also went to people’s houses to erect Morrison shelters for them, these were large iron tables with wire cages all around, so people could climb in underneath to sleep in case the house was bombed.
I went to work when I was fourteen and the war ended when I was fifteen.
An extract from the web site – BBC WW2 People’s War – A Child’s War – 2014
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